Will We Find Judas in Heaven?

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User93597

What do you think?

User96895

I think we will. Jesus said, in short, that one should offer forgivness infinately. Jesus also 'knew' that Judas would betray him, so it was pre-ordained and possibly neccessary in order for Jesus' journey to be complete. Up to that point, Judas was a good man, pretty much. Okay, so he hung himself but I think thoughts have moved away from that being a sin and perhaps it demonstrates (rightly or wrongly) Judas' deep seated remorse.

It begs the question though, what prevents a person's soul from getting through the pearly gates? It's something I can't get my head round - what about soldiers who go to war? They show no 'real' remorse for the people they kill and they don't 'mend their ways'.

Kate xx

Unknown

No. How can the murderer of God Incarnate be in heaven or anyone else who denies or betrays Him! Definitely not!
Salvation is through the Cross. There's is no liberal mish-mash around that. The Cross is the heart of Christianity.
If a soldier in Afghanistan obeys orders and kills, his salvation is available only if he confesses JESUS as his LORD and SAVIOUR. If that soldier is then killed his salvation depends entirely on his confession of faith in Jesus as the Son of God.
John 3:16 - 'For God so loved the world that He gave His only SON, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life'.
In a sense we all murdered our Maker. 'For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God'. Romans
By the Grace of God we are saved.

User96895

If we all fall short and are guilty of murdering Jesus then how can any of us go to heaven? This is the bit I don't get - if you get an individual who is intrinsically a good person, any one, but they have been brought up as a Hindu or Atheist and that is the culture they know and the society they are born into - how can God refuse them entry to heaven?!?!? After all, he created the circumstances which put them into that society where enlightment has not been able to reach them.

If you have a 15 year old boy born into a Budist family in some remote village - he may be good and kind and will certainly never harm another living person or creature, shows respect for his elders and lives his life in a clean manner. It is not his fault he never heard the word of the Lord, so he dies and has to go to hell alongside rapists, murderers and the rest of the dross of humanity - if they go to hell?!?!?! I just can't buy that!!!

Thanks,
Kate.

Unknown

Hi Kate
I know what you mean and I go through phases of asking the same questions. That is why it's a big issue.I don't know the answers to what happens to zillions of followers of other faiths. All I know is that we either believe the Bible or not. Matthew 28 Jesus commands his disciples to go into all the world and make disciples of other nations and He promises to be with us always.
When He said 'Follow me' He meant it.
Every blessing as you strive to follow Him and find answers to those difficult multi-faith issues.

User96417

I've struggled with this point too. Similar to you Kate I've thought about God's salvation to peoples of the Americas prior to the first missions (and they were far from pleasant!). There's are some mention in Romans 2 vs. 12-16 about judging with and without the law but it isn't clear to me.
Caroline is right there's only one way to salvation and that's through Jesus. All I know is God's love is beyond our comprehension so if anyone is willing and ready to be saved the Lord will be there.

User25047

Yes Atakan. I agree. I also find Romans 2:12-16 very helpful when thinking about this issue of people who have not heard about Christ or have not been brought up with knowledge of Christ or Gods grace. I love the phrase "the requirements of law are written on their hearts" It's a great mystery and God is far more loving and gracious than we can imagine about such things than we can ever be! He can see people's hearts in a way that we can't even imagine. Who knows what was on Judas' heart. I have no answer to the original question and am quite content to leave it to God to judge.
Meanwhile it is appaling that Judas' actions have been used perhaps by the Church in it's history (not now) as justification for anti-semitism when after all Jesus willingly died for all our sins and we all sent Him to the cross.

User96653

I too have struggled with this one. Rather than coming to any conclusion I have instead come to a place of peace. Christ Jesus is the Judge, given that authority by The Father. And He, who has shared our sufferings, will judge everybody as He sees fit. It is simply not possible for our human minds to comprehend how the creator, sustainer and judge of all things will pass judgement on that great and terrible Day.

So I am now content (Phil 4:11) that it is up to Him and such things are too wonderful for me (Job 42:3). As a result I am now at peace about such discussions (Phil4:6-7).

I hope that I have shown that I have thought and prayed this through carefully, and that this is not just a "cop out"

What do you think?

User93597

Thanks everybody. It's interesting to read your thoughts. I got myself into a bit of hot water at church the other evening saying that I identified with Judas. There's a fantastic painting in Chelmsford cathedral called the Tree of Life in which Judas sits high up in the branches with his number 12 disciple's t-shirt on, restored and happy. I think this is a brilliant picture which is so encouraging and uplifting. Everybody and everything restored thanks to Jesus. I suggested that we could replace Judas in the tree with Hitler or Pol Pot... or myself. A bit controversial. My minister told me that I meant that I identified with Peter, not with Judas. I'll stick with Judas I think.

User74999

LOL .... don't you just love smug people that tell us what to think! Happens all the time, and churches are very prone to it. We have brains. Shocking concept I know.

Hi :) Vickraj698

Not sure about Judas ;-)

But was intrested in what some of you guys were saying about peopls from other faiths, will they be in heaven.

I think the good people in history who lived before Jesus was made flesh would be in heaven..

If we are all Gods creation, then the Holy spirit may indeed lead others (who are not from the Christian faith but) whoose hearts are in the right place and they do good onto others based on what they know to be good/right...

I'm unsure God will condem them, if they haven't had an opportunity to hear the Truth. Only God knows whats in their hearts and minds, and ultimately is the judge.

Kind Regards

Vic

Unknown

Absolutely we will. Judas' contrition was seen in his death.

Not to mention the fact that Jesus confirmed that Judas was born to his betrayal - a clear contradiction of free will. Hence - not Judas' fault.

Not only that, but some of us, the more smug of us, will have to suck it up -seeing Judas right up there with the saints.

Indeed, the more smug of us will choke on our self-righteousness, when we see Judas there. We will have to re-evaluate our own sense of right. Alas, by then, it will be too late.

User72081

This is what Jesus prayed just before Judas arrived to betray him. It's John 17:12 (NIV)

"While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled."

Jesus described Judas as "doomed to destruction".

Regards

Andrew

Solace In The Mountains Jon148

If, as most Christian denominations teach, the death of an innocent man-god, Jesus, was necessary for the salvation of some humans, then Judas would be punished for playing a necessary role in the salvation of humanity. That seems profoundly unjust.
Jesus only suffered for a few hours while he hung on the cross. If Judas is sent to Hell for his deception, then he will suffer punishment for all eternity. Thus, Judas had already suffered much more than Jesus had by the end of the day of his suicide.
Luke 23:34 records Jesus' last words as: "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." A case can be made that this granting of amnesty extended to all involved in his execution, including the Roman executioners, Pontius Pilate, and Judas. 3

References used:
James M. Robinson, "The secrets of Judas: The story of the misunderstood disciple and his lost Gospel," HarperSanFrancisco, (2006), Pages 33-35. Read reviews or order this book safely from Amazon.com online book store.
"Of Black Madonnas and Eunuchs: Ethiopia extends its hands to God," Ukrainian Orthodoxy, at: http://www.unicorne.org/
Op cit., Robinson, Pages 35 & 36.
"Judas Iscariot," Answers.com, at: http://www.answers.com/
William Klassen, "Judas: Betrayer or friend of Jesus," Fortress Press, (1996). This is believed to be out of print. Used copies may be available from Amazon.com online book store

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If, as most Christian denominations teach, the death of an innocent man-god, Jesus, was necessary for the salvation of some humans, then Judas would be punished for playing a necessary role in the salvation of humanity. That seems profoundly unjust.
Jesus only suffered for a few hours while he hung on the cross. If Judas is sent to Hell for his deception, then he will suffer punishment for all eternity. Thus, Judas had already suffered much more than Jesus had by the end of the day of his suicide.
Luke 23:34 records Jesus' last words as: "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." A case can be made that this granting of amnesty extended to all involved in his execution, including the Roman executioners, Pontius Pilate, and Judas. 3

References used:
James M. Robinson, "The secrets of Judas: The story of the misunderstood disciple and his lost Gospel," HarperSanFrancisco, (2006), Pages 33-35. Read reviews or order this book safely from Amazon.com online book store.
"Of Black Madonnas and Eunuchs: Ethiopia extends its hands to God," Ukrainian Orthodoxy, at: http://www.unicorne.org/
Op cit., Robinson, Pages 35 & 36.
"Judas Iscariot," Answers.com, at: http://www.answers.com/
William Klassen, "Judas: Betrayer or friend of Jesus," Fortress Press, (1996). This is believed to be out of print. Used copies may be available from Amazon.com online book store

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Home > Christianity > Personalities > Judas > here

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If, as most Christian denominations teach, the death of an innocent man-god, Jesus, was necessary for the salvation of the human race, then Judas would be punished for playing a necessary role in the salvation of humanity. That seems profoundly unjust.

Jesus only suffered for a few hours while he hung on the cross. If Judas was sent to hell for his deception, then he will suffer punishment for all eternity. Thus, Judas had already suffered much more than Jesus had by the end of the day of his suicide.

Luke 23:34 records Jesus' last words as: "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." A case can be made that this granting of amnesty extended to all involved in his execution, including the Roman executioners, Pontius Pilate, and Judas.



Kenneth805

Sure if it was pre ordained that Judas would betray Jesus then
he has no free will ? If that is the case then how can you be judged for something you were "programmed" to do ?
One point of view that makes sense to me is that Judas chose to betray him out of free will, he could have chosed not to.
If he had chosen not to the Lord's will would still have been accomplished (ie Jesus being crucified for us), but it would have taken a different course. Many paths leading to the same place.

What happens to so and so and how will the be judge is a common question. Thing is when we judge someone or something we are never privee to all the information. God knows absolutely everything, the inner thoughts, the desires of the heart so he is in a position to judge justly. He has all the evidence, all the info so surely all we can do is trust that he will judge righteous judgment ?

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